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Description: A group for Queers unafraid of resisting the pressures of normative behavior.

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Created By: FosterSays

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Normative behaviors have become a grossly blatant part of gay culture. DList users often emphasize their so-called normalcy as a way of qualifying themselves and adhering to a vast system of social norms that criminalize anyone who deviates from the mainstream.





This group is for queers tired of all the people on dlist who advertise their class, race, masculinities, adherence to monogomy, and heteronormativity as positive qualifying standards. For anyone tired of feeling subordinated and shamed by these paradigms.





Basically, a group for trannies, tramps, fags, fems, tinas, sex workers, dykes, kings, queens, bandits, and friends thereof.





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Why queers need to fight the gay marriage ban

Posted By: rdm24 on: 8/26/09 3:38 PM

There's nothing more heteronormative than accepting our second-class status.
Queers fight for the right to be queer. If someone takes that choice from you, your rejection of marriage means nothing.
    

RE: Why queers need to fight the gay marriage ban

    

Replied By: conradz on: 3/6/09 3:09 PM

     2nd class status? i guess the only way for that to be legitimate or true is for any of us to believe in and feel invested in the class system as it exists.

im not second class because i accept my lack of rights to get married. i dont believe in their ability to give rights in the first place!

no one can make you second class but you...
         

RE: RE: Why queers need to fight the gay marriage ban

         

Replied By: rdm24 on: 4/1/09 5:21 PM

          Congrad, that makes no sense.

The state is very much capable of making you a second-class citizen. In fact, it already has. Your consent is not required.
              

RE: RE: RE: Why queers need to fight the gay marriage ban

              

Replied By: x108x on: 8/26/09 3:38 PM

               That is why we must abolish the project of citizenship, not just give it a gay makeover.
 

Marriage equality

Posted By: chevere on: 6/1/09 4:43 PM

I was wondering what people's thoughts are on the fight for gay marriage going on these days since Prop 8 passed. I've been to protests in Boston, and it's been awesome to see the gay community getting galvanized, but as much as I want the right to marry, I don't wish to ever do so, because to me it's an anachronistic heteronormative construct that has nothing to do with me as a queer man. I think one of the lovely things about being queer is that we don't have the burden of expectations to get married and have kids. I think the government should be out of the business of marriage entirely. Civil unions for all, I say.
    

RE: Marriage equality

    

Replied By: rdm24 on: 11/18/08 1:46 PM

     I had a good exchange with FosterSays about this issue.

I personally think that heteronormativity should be an option to us to accept or reject.

And I agree with you that the government shouldn't be regulating religious institutions anyway.

But for me, the foremost issue is equality. Which is why I'm also against DADT, even though I'm not exactly hoping that homos sign up for the millitary.
         

RE: RE: Marriage equality

         

Replied By: conradz on: 1/1/09 11:58 AM

          i would see a fight for equal access to heath care for all people (if equality is yr sticking point) as a much greater priority than equal access to the institution of marriage. what a waste of time/energy when at the end of the day most of us still wont have access to health care, even if we were gay married.

does anyone else think this gay marriage thing is some of the most classist shit they've ever heard???

think again. gay marriage is not worth the time/space/money/people power its being given...
              

RE: RE: RE: Marriage equality

              

Replied By: fishypants on: 1/5/09 3:05 PM

               I just feel putting our energies into something like this is a waste of time when there are some really big, serious issues that need to be addressed for humanity in general, like said - universal health care, equal education opportunities, ummm our planet (remember that thing kids?), and how this culture is ultimately destructive and devalues life. On the other hand, i understand where it's all coming from, I just have a problem putting all of my support behind it when it's backed by a governmental and social system that makes me barf a little in my mouth.

I know that didn't offer any solid solutions, but I'm just starting out here!! I'm all for Aikido, by the way...
              

RE: RE: RE: Marriage equality

              

Replied By: rdm24 on: 1/6/09 11:27 AM

               Denying marriage rights is one way that we are denied equal access to healthcare.

It's part of the same struggle.
                   

RE: RE: RE: RE: Marriage equality

                   

Replied By: fishypants on: 1/6/09 10:50 PM

                    That's very true!

Yet why do we, as human beings (and I don't just mean the gays, I mean everyone) have to conform to some state-accepted model of a partnership in order to get better access to health care? Shouldn't it be a right for everyone, regardless of the status of your love life or the amount of money you've got in your pocket, to be given medical attention when needed?

Maybe my stance is more on the side of universal health care for all rather than opposing gay marriage. I don't see myself getting married anytime soon, but yeah, I won't deny that right to someone else if they want to fight for it. It pains me to see something a lot of us fought for be taken away in the blink of an eye. I know it means a lot to people for their partnership to be recognized by the state (for legal/monetary reasons, visitation rights, etc) and I support their decisions to fight for it, but to fight for a right every human being in this country deserves only for a select group of individuals (gay married couples in this case) just seems a bit selfish. Fight for it! But let's not forget the countless others in this country who are denied health care or cannot afford it as well.

Sorry, It's kinda late, did any of that make sense? Would love to talk about it some more though!
                   

RE: RE: RE: RE: Marriage equality

                   

Replied By: x108x on: 5/7/09 11:43 PM

                    Well, if neither person has health care, than a gay wedding cant to much, huh?
    

RE: Marriage equality...when you're better than that?

    

Replied By: offthekinsey on: 2/2/09 8:32 AM

     I was wondering if there were any out there who shared my mixed feelings on this most Bourgeois and pedestrian of tangents, the "Right to be Miserable- I mean Marry."
You hit the proverbial nail, grrl.
Of course, tell someone he can't have something, and that's all he wants.
Damn I know how to win friends and influence people, don't I?

    

RE: Marriage equality

    

Replied By: x108x on: 5/7/09 11:46 PM

    
    

RE: Marriage equality

    

Replied By: conradz on: 6/1/09 4:43 PM

     "The push for gay marriage is not an isolated phenomenon but signals hostility to sexual liberation. I wonder if we will all one day look back from another world and think about what gay life was like before the freedom from marriage was extinguished- in the same way that some look (and remember) what life was like before AIDS." - Bill Dobbs
 

The gay-whore paradigm

Posted By: jujubez on: 5/7/09 11:42 PM

"Adherence to monogamy" is a gay paradigm? Isn't it quite the other way around?

It seems to me that gay communities have always been criticized for their lack of a "stable" nuclear family. Isn't the stereotype that gays are completely uninterested in monogamy the one we need to change here?
    

RE: The gay-whore paradigm

    

Replied By: rdm24 on: 5/2/09 2:12 PM

     The paradigm we need to shift towards is that we are free to pursue the type of relationship we want without judgment. Whether we accept or reject monogamy for ourselves, we embrace and support the decisions of others to seek out the relationships they want.
    

RE: The gay-whore paradigm

    

Replied By: x108x on: 5/7/09 11:42 PM

     no.
 

Providence

Posted By: rdm24 on: 3/12/09 1:04 PM

Any boys in Providence participate in this?
http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20090215142848481

Queers in the streets of Providence

Sunday, February 15 2009 @ 02:28 PM CST

Contributed by: whatqueerPVD

QueerLast night at a minute to midnight, a ragtag group of queers and allies, trans folks and brass band friends, some decked out in their most scandalous (over thermals, of course), danced through the streets of Providence, Rhode Island, stopping to flirt with and provoke our local gay bars.Queers decry a heteronormative consumerist holiday!

last night at a minute to midnight, a ragtag group of queers and allies, trans folks and brass band friends, some decked out in their most scandalous (over thermals, of course), danced through the streets of Providence, Rhode Island, stopping to flirt with and provoke our local gay bars.

We are sick of the majority of queer spaces in our city revolving around consumerism and intoxication. We are sick of "queer" meaning "assimilated white gay men" when there are a whole lot of us who don't fit with that identity. We are sick of monogamous relationships being the accepted norm. We are sick of feeling like we have to prove our love to our partners by showering them with unnecessary mass-produced crap. We are sick of feeling like crap for being single. Instead of sitting around and complaining, we decided to throw our own party!

On Valentine's day at midnight, we took to the street, to create a free, all-ages, festive queer space that for once, didn't revolve around alcohol.

We danced to brass provided by a few members of the what cheer! brigade and had signs with slogans such as, "i have straight friends," "we recruit," and "break up with patriarchy."

Our reception was varied - at some gay bars, they were all about it, and in some places there was quite a bit of tension. As we snaked through Providence, our numbers grew, as spectators became active participants.

Despite some aggressive invitations to suck dicks from drunk bargoers, some beer thrown by the queers in the club at the queers who can't afford the 7 dollar cover charge, and being called dummies and threatened with teargas by some pitifully incompetent providence police, (and learning firsthand that they "don't care about killing people" after threatening to teargas a crowd of kids in a packed staircase), a great time was had by all. There were no arrests.

to get in touch with what queer?!, email whatqueer@gmail.com
    

RE: Providence

    

Replied By: fishypants on: 3/12/09 1:04 PM

     Damn, sounds like it was a good time!!
 

Queering Public Spaces

Posted By: FosterSays on: 10/10/08 12:25 PM

I'm only interested in the first minute and fifteen seconds of this video. It's by Mark Bradford and I like what he says about a call to protest that can be as simple as unabashedly claiming public space through our actions and demeanor. In this case, evidenced by Melvin's fantastic strut.

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